On the target of atheists

The atheists often aim their muzzles at the historicity of Christ, claiming that the man upon whom an entire order was built had never existed; that he was merely a puppet of the poet’s pen. The proponents, the believers, then take upon themselves the task to defend their messiah. “There are libraries of work on the subject of Christ and the traditions of the church have existed for centuries. This must surely mean something.” Indeed, it does mean something; but it will be fallacious to use it as evidence for the existence of Christ. The atheists, on the other hand, employing the argument of insufficient evidence, cannot disprove the existence of Christ either. It is a strategy equally fallacious. Thus rages a battle that will afford neither side a victory.

Might it then be more proper and more worthy of the atheists’ time to shift their sights onto the character of Christ and that esteem title with which he has been credited? Surely that would breed a more enlightening and ‘upbuilding’ discourse, instead of this pointless bickering over what lies hidden beneath the thick earth of history.


7 thoughts on “On the target of atheists

  1. Might it then be more proper and more worthy of the atheists’ time to shift their sights onto the character of Christ and that esteem title with which he has been credited?

    Why should we do this?
    Why does the christian maintain the fellow is real?


    • Because as I’ve said, the historicity can neither be confirmed nor disproved. And I would rather the argument be found on ratiocination, such as those proffered by Russell and Paine. To your latter question, I doubt I can provide any satisfactory answer. Every person is entitled to their own beliefs. Those beliefs may well be false, but if it is for them a source of happiness and comfort, and if it breeds no apparent harm, then I see no reason for a renouncement. Of course, it will be against the principles of those staunch champions of truth. But who are we to tell others how to live their lives? After all, sorrow is knowledge.


      • But who are we to tell others how to live their lives?

        This is a maxim am freely willing to grant anyone. Am not sure most people, especially the religious, see it the same way.


      • I wont contend that. But such a problem seems to be more of ignorance than of religion. The church I visit respects our beliefs; forces none unto the skeptic. It rationalizes rather than indoctrinates. Without ignorance, religion is quite harmless.


  2. It’s difficult to imagine why we would focus any attention on a man who cannot be demonstrated to exist, discussing his character or otherwise. (Your concession that one cannot convincingly demonstrate the existence of a real Jesus is actually the atheist victory: it’s the ‘not guilty’ verdict).
    There have been plenty of people worthy of discussion who were real. Ghandi comes to mind: what about him was good? Mohammed also comes to mind: why was he bad?
    The full exploration of the good and the bad can be done through people we are reasonably sure actually existed. We could use Jesus and look at what it really means to let ‘he without sin cast the first stone’ or to ‘turn the other cheek’ to our aggressors, but isn’t the Dalai Lama a good enough contributor of that kind of peace-keeping speech?


    • Indeed, i stand on neither side regarding the historicity of Christ. But if you wish to convince Christians that Christ is not the person they believe him to be, it will be better to question the principles by which he lived and the actions he made; whether or not they were truly worthy of being called ‘godly’. It’s always more effective (against the strong-headed) to find flaws birthed from an assumption than to attempt at disproving the assumption itself.

      The fact that they were ‘merely human’ makes a lot of difference. Christ is perceived as a figure of God. This probably inspires far more devotion.


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